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to get your free, personalized plan comparison today. call, go online, or visit your local store today. good morning. i'm chris jansing. this morning we remember nelson mandela. in life he united south africa and the world and his legacy as a fighter for freedom will continue to resonate well after his death. icon, legend, hero. none of those words seem quite big enough to describe a man who changed the world. ♪ and yet in the streets of johannesburg, the crowds are celebratory. south africa planning ten days of mourning. mandela's body will lie in state with leaders from all over the world expected to pay respects.
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here in the united states, flags are flying at half staff. mandela had a huge impact on president obama inspiring him to public service. the two only met once in 2005 when president obama was then senator obama. >> i am one of the countless millions who drew inspiration from nelson mandela's life. my very first political action, the first thing i ever did that involved an issue or policy or politics was a protest against apartheid. >> mandela spent 27 years behind bars for treason, for backing an anti-apartheid charter. he was finally released february 11, 1990. three years later he would share the nobel peace prize with f.w. de klerk, the man he would succeed as president. >> the time for the healing of the wounds has come.
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the moment to preach the causes that divide us has come. the time to build is upon us. we have at least achieved our political emancipation. we pledge ourselves to liberate all our people from the continued bondage of poverty, depravation, suffering and other discrimination. michelle kosinski is with us outside of nelson mandela's home and the crowds continue to be drawn there, michelle. >> reporter: right. there are hundreds of people out here and the energy of remembrance, mourning, and celebration is powerful. the national youth orchestra just arrived. they've been playing music. one thing you've really felt throughout the day without stopping is that the air has been full of singing. this deep, resonance, the rhythm
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of african songs. there's been a procession since last night of people of all ages from the very young to the very old, black and white singing and dancing. when you talk to them, you really get a sense of their personal feelings about mandela. one elderly woman said when she thinks of the past, it makes her so sad. but in her mind mandela saw a big light and he never switched it off. and i was talking to a young family. to them it meant they could adopt their children. they're dutch and white and their children are african and black. they said his legacy means they can give their children a good and equal life. the president of south africa was also here briefly to meet with the family. and he left after speaking a few words to the crowd. but it has been nonstop, chris. >> and like many heads of state and dignitaries, plans for a funeral are meticulously planned well in advance. what can you tell us about the details and the timing for his funeral? >> reporter: as we expected, the
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first really big public event will be a memorial service in a football stadium. or as we say in america, a soccer stadium. in fact, that's the place where mandela gave his last public appearance to this enormous ovation. that stadium holds more than 90,000 people. and some dignitaries and even world leaders will likely attend that. three days after that, his body will lie in state in pretoria and then his state funeral, that will be on the 15th in his remote hometown of kunu. chris? >> michelle kosinski outside of the mandela home in johannesburg. thank you. charlayne hunter-gault knew nelson mandela. interviewed him just after he was released from prison in 1990. always good to see you. >> happy to be here. >> for people who live here, it's almost counterintuitive to see the celebrations and dancing. you lived there. you spent time with nelson
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mandela and his family. help us understand what it must be like there now. >> well, i think that generally when people transition, as the south africans say. they don't say die or whatever. they see them moving to a higher place, but they see them still spiritually connected. so they go to the grave and they speak as they say to the an s ancesto ancestors. so now he has become an ancestor. i see a lot of young people there who are called born frees. they were born after nelson mandela's release. so they don't know the struggle history. but they know the blueprint he laid out for renaissance. i think they're celebrating that and the fact they have an ancestor now they can directly communicate with. >> there are so many things you can say about nelson mandela. to talk about the characteristics that were so intrinsic to this great man.
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and one is integrity. he just -- he carried himself in a way and conducted himself in a way that is so rare in public life. >> he did that even in prison. i mean, he made the prison wardens respect him. and even when he got out of prison, he went back to relate to the warders who adored him, actually, and he had a slightly -- he had a regal bearing because he is of regal royal descent, but he also had a warmth about him that brought people into him. so his smile was one that just enveloped you whenever you were with him. and i think the people felt that about him. i mean, he'd wave at you like -- you know, he -- even though we thought of him, the world thought of him as an icon and he knew that he was a leader, he had the royal bearing, but he also had the common touch. >> you're going to stay with us, but i want to bring in on the phone now saki mokozama who also
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served in prison with nelson mande mandela. thank you for being with us. tell us about the first day you ever encountered him on robin island. >> thank you very much. i met mandela november of 1977. i was at that time 18 years old. when i met him, he was -- come from the same area in the eastern cape. and encountered was them people i knew, some of them were my
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relatives. and they wanted to know everything about those people. the second thing that struck me was they were very interested in me as an individual. why was i in jail. and one thing that was clear was that the struggle is not in prison. you don't do things in order to go to prison, because if all of that there would be nobody. the point it made, if -- you have to equip yourself to make sure you would be equal to. he made it very clear to us the extent we're fighting against and the education system, he said it's important for you to
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start here and be an educated people because you have toe task of running a country. and you can't run a country if you're not properly equipped. >> thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us on the phone. and charlayne, he talked about education. and they called robin island mandela university. you have this place that is a horror where he was for 27 years, and yet his influence was to make it something positive for the other people. >> for other people like saki and others like him, he insisted they learn. because saki was a young man when he went to prison. some of them were 16, 17 years old. and so rather than see their environment as a prison, he and the other leaders turned it into something that was productive. as saki just said, they had faith and they had hope. but they also had faith that
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those people running around that prison yard and sometimes playing soccer also had to study their books so that one day they would be able to lead the country as people like saki and some of the others who were there on robin island do it today. >> and while doing it they had hard physical labor. he contracted tuberculosis while he was at robin island. but you mentioned how he made friends with the guards. and the wardens there. he was not an idealist. he was very pragmatic. i mean, there was a part of him so generous he would do that, but there was also a reason to do it in that it made sense to bring them over to his side. and i think doesn't that apply to his approach to a free south africa, because at his core he always believed that he could find a pragmatic forward way to make that happen.
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>> that's right. and he reached out. when he got out of prison, he brought in africaners who were the oppressors, but he brought people from that group into his inner circle. zela was one of the people he reached out from one of the offices in the government and brought into his life. there were many others that he did -- and i just want to say one other thing. we talk about this old man who got to be 95 years old. i think that part of the reason that he was able to sustain himself so long was that from the time that he was in prison, he was very, very careful about his diet. when i first met him, it was close to dinner, and he was saying that he didn't eat very much for dinner. he ate his main meal in the middle of the day and he had soup for lunch. so he carried that physical regimen throughout his prison life and then once he got out of
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priss. so it is no surprise to me that he has lived such a long, healthy life in spite of his challenges that he encountered at the prison, the tuberculosis and so on. >> charlayne hunter-gault, i know you'll be leaving to go back to south africa tomorrow. we'll look forward to hearing from you there. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and as we will throughout the day, we'll have a series of tributes that are pouring in for nelson mandela. >> he lifted a nation to freedom. he had wisdom, compassion, and courage. and maybe the hardest thing to possess, forgiveness. >> he's our washington and our lincoln and our martin luther king all rolled in one. the founder of his country, somebody who kept the country together and in the spirit of martin luther king and madiba together, why we have to reach out to one another even though we have strong differences we have to reach out, find compromise in order to get the consensus to move forward.
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we have often said that our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. >> nelson mandela speaking at the white house back in 1998. that night he was being hosted by then-president bill clinton who at the time was in the middle of the monica lewinsky scandal. shortly after the news came that the south african leader had died, president clinton released a statement saying in part, he proved there is freedom in forgiving, that a big heart is better than a closed mind, and that real victories must be shared. later in a tweet, hillary
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clinton said, nelson mandela was a champion for justice and museum dignity with unmatched grace. i'll remember him as madiba. good to talk to you, salinda, good morning. you called him one of the most courageous people i have ever met. tell us about your meeting with him, with working with him, and what you want people to know. >> well, i was just part of a very big meeting, and i met with him once in a strategy session and once heard him deliver a speech in south africa. but having him work with his team and the pollster for the anc during that first election, there were three things that really struck me. one was just his enormous clarity and vision for the country and bringing the country together. the second was his great pragmatism. there were a set of election
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rules that came down that were really disadvantageous to mandela and to the anc. we were all very upset by those rules, and he was just very calm and said no, we'll make it work. find a way to make it work. he refused to fight over the rules and just said we'll make it work. >> give us some unsight into that. what were his unique qualities that allowed him to make it work? in the face of what seemed to be something that was very difficult if not insurmountable. >> i think, first of all, was just the clarity of his own vision. the amount of thinking that he had done about where he wanted to take the country and what reconciliation meant. and how he had already put that to practice. that was so fundamental to his soul. and what was interesting is, of course, there were many factions within the anc. some of them who thought, no, this is our time. and no, not reconciliation, but it's our time. and he would have none of pit.
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and started an amazing process in the country. bringing people and communities together. and united what i think many of us were worried was an impossible situation to unite a country peacefully behind his leadership. >> there are so many instances both during his presidency and afterwards where he brought people together where he was able to forge compromise. and we've heard a lot about president obama from him and from others about how he has been inspired by nelson mandela. you can't get a more vivid contrast than between the way nelson mandela operated and much of what we see in congress these days. is there anything you see at all that might suggest that this will give people a moment to pause to think and to say maybe there are lessons here to be learned. maybe there are ways. i mean, this is a man who forgave his persecutors, people who jailed him, people who beat him, who made friends with people who were responsible for
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27 years of his life being taken away while he was in prison. do you think that there are any real lessons that american politicians might take away from this. >> i hope there are, and i think nothing happens without a reason. i hope what this can do is inspire our leaders. one of the things that was so interesting to me watching mandela was that he was a compromiser, pragmatist, but it came from a position of strength. not of weakness. and i think that's something we've forgotten. that if you're truly strong, if you truly know where you want to head and he was always very clear in his vision, then you can be compromising. then you can reach out. then you can be pragmatic. then things will work. you can make it work for the country. i also think the humility and selflessness was unimaginable that someone would give up -- he could have been king of south
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africa and he chose to only serve one term. that's amazing in our day. >> and he kept that promise he made when he was first elected. good to talk to you, celinda. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> archbishop desmond tutu had a service. they were close leaders in the anti-apartheid movement. >> the sun will rise tomorrow and the next day and the next. it may not appear as bright as yesterday, but life will carry on as we enter the mourning period as a nation, we do so with a dignity and respect because that is what we owe to madiba and to ourselves. if i can impart one lesson to a
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action was we near the anniversary of the sandy hook elementary shooting. >> on december 14th we'll have a moment of silence for newtown. but with 26 more school shootings since that day, ask yourself, is silence what america needs right now? >> it was a year ago next week that adam lanza armed with an arsenal of guns killed 20 elementary school students and 6 adults. advocates hope this ad will help re-energize for gun legislation. joining me now is eric barden whose son was killed at sandy hook elementary. >> good morning. >> you and i have spoken over the last year. you pledged your son will not have died in vain. i know how hard you've been fighting with other family members for change to this country's laws. but so little has happened.
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obviously this has been a year of great loss for you, but also great frustration, mark? >> no. actually, i can't say frustration, chris. and i don't even think -- i don't like to think i'm fighting. i think we're trying -- i'd like to think i'm engaged in an effort and i'm approaching this with an open heart and mind to find real solutions and to work together with folks. >> where are those solutions, do you think? i mean, we had such high hopes last april. a background check bill supported by the president then failed. i know you must have seen this new poll. 49% of americans now support stricter laws. down from april and obviously from january just after the shooting. what do you think has happened? >> well, it's important to note, chris, that the umbrella figure of stricter laws is not specific to what we're talking about. i think most folks can agree on
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criminals and folks that are criminally insane shouldn't have firearms. and we're not about gun control, we're about gun safety. sandy hook promises looking at lots of different initiatives. and the gun safety component is just a small part of that. >> talk to us about where you think you can make some progress now. >> sandy hook promise is launching a new initiative now called parent together. where we can reach people in their communities and have a discussion and reset the conversation at the community level and talk about things like gun safety and talk about things like mental health awareness and community connectedness. and do that at the community level and move that upward. and the policy will happen eventually. >> so do you think it is that the intransigence you see at the federal government will only move when we see movement at the community level, when we start to see it at the state level.
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and there has been some movement even in connecticut in your own state. and then perhaps that will lead to a wider movement nationally. >> that's right, chris. we have seen movement at the state level, but i think it's really going to start from the bottom up. at the community level. and that's where the parent together program with sandy hook promise starts there. we're encouraging folks to if you haven't already to visit sandy hook.org and start this at the community level. and know you can be part of this solution and part of the movement. and make a difference. >> there's another way people can be part of this because your family started the what would daniel do facebook group. you're encouraging people to show kindness to others. tell me a little about that. >> that was developed really in the spirit of our little daniel who lived his life with such compassion and empathy for others. he was known by his teachers throughout his short school career that he would talk to the kids sitting alone.
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he would notice somebody that was having a hard day and want to comfort them. so my niece started a facebook site called what would daniel do to share stories of daniel's life and pictures. it has over 37,000 likes on it now. people are truly inspired by those stories of compassion and they start their day with it and they share their own stories of inspiration. we're now moving what would daniel do in a foundation where we can reach people with that kindness. >> it is remarkable and inspirational as are you and your family and so many folks touched by this tragedy. mark barden, thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. >> thank you for having me. president obama was inspired to fight injustice and public service by nelson mandela. mandela's impact on obama never waned. >> we've lost one of the most influential, courageous, and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth.
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he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >> let me bring in washington bureau chief of the chicago sun times lynn swede. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> you heard the president yesterday. he was highlighting how much nelson mandela meant to him when he was a young person thinking about what he was going to do with his life. it really did start early for him, this influence, didn't it? >> it did. obama has talked many times about his first political acts, chris, were protests as anti-apartheid movement that was such a big movement in the united states. and, you know, a young obama having a political awakening found his activism in the movement sparked by the people in the united states and around the world who were using boycotts and such to fight south africa. >> and they met, as we said, and there's just that one picture i think it was snapped by his driver in 2005.
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he's a senator from illinois. look at that. >> it's an interesting back story, because i -- the man who took it david cats traveled around all the time with him, but he's a very good photographer and always kept a camera with him and would go to other things. new to take wla would became historic pictures. that photo you showed of a silhouetted obama, it was right next to his desk. >> you know, this photograph, we are told ended up on the desk both of president obama in the white house and of nelson mandela in his office back in south africa. we all know that this past summer when nelson mandela fell ill for the last time, president obama had a trip scheduled to that part of the world. he they did not meet but he did
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go inside his cell in robben island. here's what he wrote. on behalf of our family, we're deeply humbled to stand where men of such courage faced down injustice and refused to yield. mandela represented and i think michael sheir among others pointed out in the "new york times" today the kind of hope that would become the theme of the president's first campaign. what has been his influence on barack obama and his leadership? >> well, actually, that photo you just took of obama in june of 2013, that was the second time he was in that cell. i was with him the first time in august of 2006 when he was on as a united states senator from illinois when he was on a swing through africa. and he didn't do the kind of high profile signing that you have there, but it was important
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to him. it was important symbolically. he understand he was himself the son of a kenyan coming back as a united states senator, that was still a big accomplishment. and i could see back when i saw him in the cell looking around, the enormity of this timeline. and again because it was his political awakening, you can see that direct link between what happened to mandela on robben island where he spent so many years. he said it was formative for him. he said that's where he got his views about you can't be imbitered by these experiences. i think were lessoned that were learned as obama developed his own political point of view. >> lynn sweet, it's always good to talk to you. thanks so much. >> thank you. on june 26 were 1990, nelson mandela thanked the united states for its support in ending apartheid.
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>> you have given us the power to join hands with all people of conscience to fight for the victory of democracy and human rights throughout the world. >> i'm joined now by new york congressman charlie rangel who met then with nelson mandela. good morning. >> good morning. >> what was it like to be in that room for that address? >> it was moving, but before i even get to that, seeing the picture of nelson mandela's cell, i visited that cell. and i still can't imagine how a human being could have spent 27 years in solitary confinement at least the last years in robben island and to come out and to forgive those people who placed him there in the fight for justice. >> hard physical labor, no coats
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or socks in cold winter weather. just that he survived let alone was able to really think through a plan for what he would do, how he would make a positive difference when he got out was unbelievable. >> i'm not that spiritual, but i could imagine god trying to tell the whole world that we're going to show you what misery and pain is but we'll also show you what leadership is. that we're going to show you how a human being can forgive those who have tortured, destroyed, killed his friends and everything around him. and we're going to give you an example like so many times you see biblically how someone can go from prisoner to president and have that power that i don't know what it is, that can bring people who hated each other.
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one, because they've been tortured and discriminated against and bring a nation together. god must have spent a whole lot of time putting together nelson mandela. >> so what did you feel when you met him and heard him in that room? you must have known and felt very deeply that you were in the presence of greatness. >> i did, and quite frankly, i thank god for allowing me to have met and talked with nelson mandela. >> what a great picture. that probably brings back so many memories. >> yes. i was fortunate when i was on the ways and means committee, we drafted a bill to cut off all tax benefits to united states firms doing business in south africa. which meant that in addition to paying taxes to them, they had to pay taxes to the united states. and that meant that most all of them immediately left there. so i had no idea that president
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mandela or at that time when he was released from jail before i went back for the campaign. and someone was telling him about the rangel amendment, and he said no, not the rangel amendment. i said i'm going to be embarrassed. he said no, in south africa it's known as the bloody rangel amendment to the whites. his sense of humor on serious issues is equality that quite frankly and i've given it a lot of thought before i've said that that i've never seen or heard that anyone would ever have. >> congressman charlie rangel, always good to have you on the program. but thank you so much for coming in on this day in particular. it's good to see you. >> thank you, chris. >> we will return to our coverage of nelson mandela's life after the break. south africans have been singing
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he is leaving such a legacy that he willing missed but emotionally and religiously he will be with us. and i think all we can do is pray for him and be able to thank him for all that he has done for human kind. because a man as truly great. he will be with us whether it's in body or just in mind. >> myrlie evers, the wife of medgar evers speaking here on "jansing and co." back in june about nelson mandela's legacy. in a statement following his death, mrs. evers said, quote, we are all students of mandela for he taught us about faith, perseverance, and devotion to one's ideals. morgan freeman, sydney patiya
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both portrayed him in films. the long walk to freedom chronicles his life from childhood through his inauguration. it also looks at his relationship with his wife winnie played by naomi harris. and the film's director justin chadwick talked to me about the film. >> we all know mandela the great political leader, the activist, but we don't know him as a young man. as a man who loved cars, tailoring, who is the most amazing lawyer in his early days in the first black lawyer in johannesburg. so we want to explore a mandela that hadn't been seen before that people don't know, that's not in the history books. >> last night prince william and his wife kate attend the uk premiere for that film in london. they along with the rest of the audience found out about his death while the credits were
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♪ honestly ♪ i wanna see you be brave ♪ 2016 health care and the nsa. in a wide ranging interview with chris matthews, president obama defended his legacy and told young people they need to get out and vote during the midterms if they want change. the "hardball" special was taped at american university surrounded by students. one of the real moments came when the president was asked to pick between his vice president and former secretary of state. >> vice president joe biden, former secretary of state hillary clinton, compare and contrast. >> not a chance am i going there. here's what i'll say. both hillary and joe would make outstanding presidents. and possess the qualities that
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are needed to be outstanding presidents. i think joe biden will go down in history as one of the best vice presidents ever. hillary i think will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state that we've ever had and help to transition us away from a deep hole that we were in when we first came into office around the world. >> you can watch that interview in its entirety today at 4:00 right here on msnbc. checking the news feed this morning, a winter storm stretching across the nation has draped much of the midwest and south in snow, sleet, and freezing rain. as many as 32 million people are in its path. winter storm and ice warnings are in effect today from texas to indiana. this same system is going to bring cold temperatures to the northeast over the weekend. following a fourth month of solid hiring, the unemployment rate fell to an even 7% in november. a five-year low. the labor department says employers added 203,000 jobs
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which as everyone else would sit and enjoy the joy of being at home. >> it's a very simple house. >> true. it is a very simple house.
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they found it as it is -- as you can see like this. when it was built in 1945, the only thing that they had was these walls. and they didn't even have electricity at the time. >> or a bathroom. >> no bathroom. no running water. >> and this was actually the table that was here. we see a picture there. winnie mandela worked at this table and perhaps nelson mandela too? >> that is correct. winnie actually donated the furniture to one of the families around here. >> winnie gave it away. >> yes. and we request to have it back. as you can see from this photo, winnie was the one who was working here. >> who knows what history was made at this table. >> true. >> this home and its two small bedrooms now hold many of the awards given to the mandelas over the years. this is a copy of one of the last photographs taken of nelson mandela before he went to prison for 27 years. and he would come back here that
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he was truly free. this place would always be very special to nelson mandela. one more personal story, a few years ago i moderated a panel about leadership with four men who changed history. mickael gorbachev, jimmy carter, and willem de klerk. even if that rarefied company, he could point to not just great but iconic leadership. and they pointed to nelson mandela. i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. >> thank you. it's all about calling people to rise up. mandela did that. the agenda next hour, we continue speaking about nelson mande mandela. pictures from johannesburg outside the house of south africa's madiba. and coming up, how the leader is being rened and how mandela's legacy will continue to move
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. and society in which all passions live together in harmony. and we equal opportunity. it is which i hope to live for. >> nelson mandela, champion of
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equality, seer of light in the darkness, father of a country and hero of a world. remembrances, tributes from all corners of the world today for one of the great leaders of our time. i'm thomas roberts. we'll have special coverage of mandela's life and legacy he leaves behind including a report from south africa specelebratin the leader. >> he spent 27 years in prison. to the people of south africa what freedom means. >> from argentina to ireland to denmark, his death is front page news across the world. president obama met mandela just once but says he will forever strive to walk in his footprint. >> i am one of the countless millions who drew